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by Chuck Schwartz

Marcia Gay Harden was in a hotel room in her bathrobe when she got word of her Academy Award® nomination for her supporting role as Lee Krasner, wife of artist Jackson Pollock.On the road promoting that film, Harden took out her joy on the bellman who brought her breakfast. Ed Harris, who directed and stars in the film (and who got a Best Actor nomination) calls Haden's work "superb. She worked her tail off". The pair had worked together on stage, in Sympatico and, Harris said, "I've never had as good a time working with somebody on stage, other than my wife, Amy [Madigan, who also performs in the film]. We spoke with Harden a week before the news, but long after she had started to pull down critical raves, including a Best Supporting win from the New York Online Critics, to which we belong.

CrankyCritic: Maybe Tuesday will be lucky
Marcia Gay Harden: You know what? It would be lovely if it were. There was a day last week when I felt panicked from so much hope. I wanted it. I still want it but it means something different to me this week because I've seen the film again and I'm glad I can say that I'm so proud of the film that if it doesn't happen, I'll be concentrating on Valentine's Day, which is the day after. You can't let those awards mean too much because they throw you into that space of thinking about acting as a competition, and it's not!

CrankyCritic: Tell us what you knew of Jackson Pollock.
Marcia Gay Harden: First, I knew little about Jackson Pollock. I had studied him in an art class in school and I knew him as an American painter who had changed the face of art with something called "action painting". So I looked in the museum. Then, to understand about his life and his history, and the history of Krasner as an artist, opened up the art in a whole new way. I think the more people understand an artist's life, the more they appreciate the work. Do we really look at a Van Gogh painting and not think about the ear? [laughs]

CrankyCritic: What is Ed like to work with?
Marcia Gay Harden: He is so intense and so committed and so available. He's beautiful to work with. He's so truthful. It's funny, sometimes he's so intense that it's unusual. He goes right where his thought is. I love his bravery and commitedness. He knew the book ("The American Saga") backwards and forwards. He knew the details of the story. He knew what the paintings should be. He rearranged the set to make it Jackson's space – you usually have the prop person do that. He directed live, when the camera was rolling. When we were working together, he'd feed me his lines and if I wasn't truthful or if I wasn't getting there he'd say do it again. Do it again. Say it again. He'd shake it up. In theater, you do all that stuff in the rehearsal room. It doesn't happen in film, because too often there's no rehearsal and there's too much "respecting each other's boundaries"and retreat to the trailers.

CrankyCritic: What kind of research did you do?
Marcia Gay Harden: I did a lot. I took painting classes. I sucked, but it taught me something. I saw a film of her and met people in her family and then I threw everything away because it was just Ed and me, Jackson and Lee in a room. Always through the prism of Ed Harris' direction.

CrankyCritic: Did your vision of Lee conflict with Ed's and how did you work it out?
Marcia Gay Harden: I deferred to him [laughs] unless it was something I felt strongly about.
CrankyCritic: As Lee appears to defer to Jackson?
Marcia Gay Harden: [It isn't deference]. She got so much from it. She got a place in the artworld as Mrs. Jackson Pollock, even though she was always Lee Krasner an she never took his name. She gained entry to the artworld through him. She was denied entry because her paintings weren't as exciting; she wasn't breaking new ground. I think she was a good painter but I had to trust the art world that he was greater. I think she was good and that she deserved more attention than she got.

The guy was an alcoholic. That was the other side of it. I feel kind of badly for her that she chose to enable but, then again, think of all the relationships that we know today. I can think of a million alcoholics and a million women who have given up careers or take secondary careers for their husbands and children. Maybe we can hope that we can learn to work as teams but you can't talk like that about an alcoholic. That's a dysfunctional team and that's the game they played.
CrankyCritic: How much of an enabler do you think she was? There's a point in the film where Lee puts her foot down and refuses to let friends bearing booze enter the house. And tat marks the start of Jackson's dry spell and his most creative period.
Marcia Gay Harden: She was, though, because she let him be center stage. The enabler's whole thing is "without me, where would they be?" a non-enabler would have let the people drink and Jackson could take care of himself – that's what an enabler is supposed to learn. They can take care of themselves. And if they can't tough luck, you're not on this earth to take care of him. And he couldn't take care of himself. When she left, he couldn't take care of himself. Should she have stayed? No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that I do believe she was that and that's modern day language. Did she love him? I think absolutely. Was art important? Art was extremely important! It's what they both lived for. I do think they cared for each other ad I think they had some peace in their relationship. Neither one of them was Hallmark warm and fuzzy. That was also liberating to find because it didn't mean tat a scene in which two people aren't sitting and touching and making out which we see ad nauseam in Hollywood, which I don't happen to see in my friend's relationships. We had to learn how to exist without that.

CrankyCritic: She sometimes seems to be more profesional manager than wife.
Marcia Gay Harden: Manager. Marketer. Mother. Lover. Painter. Admirerer. Audience. All of that.

 
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